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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 08:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment, Roger.  We don&#039;t know these things about ourselves until we&#039;re tested.
There&#039;s an incredible chapter on suffering in John Piper&#039;s book _Desiring God_.  That chapter--and that whole book--really affected me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Roger.  We don&#39;t know these things about ourselves until we&#39;re tested.<br />
There&#39;s an incredible chapter on suffering in John Piper&#39;s book _Desiring God_.  That chapter&#8211;and that whole book&#8211;really affected me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 03:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is indeed something profound in suffering for Christ. Paul talks about sharing in Christ&#039;s sufferings and becoming like him in his death. Almost as though we are to seek out suffering, or perhaps that if we aren&#039;t suffering we&#039;re not really following Christ. I don&#039;t, however, think this is what is meant by suffering for Christ. You&#039;re right in putting the question as &quot;what are we willing to suffer&quot; since it&#039;s likely that many of us, in America especially aren&#039;t doing much suffering so that others may believe.
There is a good analogy to this in Star Wars, but I&#039;ll keep it vague so as not to spoil (we&#039;ll probably see a few of these analogies in the coming weeks). Many people face decisions about which path to follow- on one side there is a path of fulfilling one&#039;s own desires, desires that aren&#039;t in themselves wrong, but on the other side there is a path of the bigger picture, and in light of the big picture the first path is wrong. To follow the big picture (God&#039;s glory in our case) we will have to sacrifice our own desires, perhaps even self-perceived needs.
What should we be willing to sacrifice and suffer? Paul said he wished he could be cut off from Christ for the sake of unbelievers (Rom 9:3). Obviously that dilemma will not be before us, but the attitude of Paul is a model for us. We should be willing to make every sacrifice possible for the sake of those who do not believe. That can be a hard pill to swallow, but if we claim to follow Christ we must seek His glory and not our own. Hopefully one day I&#039;ll be able to swallow it myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is indeed something profound in suffering for Christ. Paul talks about sharing in Christ&#39;s sufferings and becoming like him in his death. Almost as though we are to seek out suffering, or perhaps that if we aren&#39;t suffering we&#39;re not really following Christ. I don&#39;t, however, think this is what is meant by suffering for Christ. You&#39;re right in putting the question as &#8220;what are we willing to suffer&#8221; since it&#39;s likely that many of us, in America especially aren&#39;t doing much suffering so that others may believe.<br />
There is a good analogy to this in Star Wars, but I&#39;ll keep it vague so as not to spoil (we&#39;ll probably see a few of these analogies in the coming weeks). Many people face decisions about which path to follow- on one side there is a path of fulfilling one&#39;s own desires, desires that aren&#39;t in themselves wrong, but on the other side there is a path of the bigger picture, and in light of the big picture the first path is wrong. To follow the big picture (God&#39;s glory in our case) we will have to sacrifice our own desires, perhaps even self-perceived needs.<br />
What should we be willing to sacrifice and suffer? Paul said he wished he could be cut off from Christ for the sake of unbelievers (Rom 9:3). Obviously that dilemma will not be before us, but the attitude of Paul is a model for us. We should be willing to make every sacrifice possible for the sake of those who do not believe. That can be a hard pill to swallow, but if we claim to follow Christ we must seek His glory and not our own. Hopefully one day I&#39;ll be able to swallow it myself.</p>
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