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		<title>By: David N</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

Yeah, I agree with that mostly.  Star Trek has always been about Humanism, I guess.  So the journey of an unhuman character towards humanity is a recurring theme (it also happened on Voyager with the Doctor and then 7 of 9).  But I think I would say that Kirk AND Spock are the main characters (just like Picard AND Data are basically the two main characters of TNG, and towards the end of VOY Janeway and 7 of 9 became the main characters).  

Still, now that you&#039;ve challenged me to think about it, I guess Star Trek has always been about Kirk helping Spock to change, and never the other way around.  But in TNG, I think I can remember a few times where Picard or Geordi or someone told Data something to the effect that he helped them to better understand their own humanity (from the outside, so to speak).  That&#039;s all I want to see from Spock and Kirk in these movies.  I&#039;d like to see Kirk learn a little something about his own humanity from Spock.  At the very least, I think they should do what the new Bond movies have done (i.e. take their time molding the younger, rougher character into the older, more suave character we all know and love).  It has to take a little longer than just ONE movie for the reckless young cadet Kirk to become the infallible and unbeatable Captain of the Enterprise!  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree with that mostly.  Star Trek has always been about Humanism, I guess.  So the journey of an unhuman character towards humanity is a recurring theme (it also happened on Voyager with the Doctor and then 7 of 9).  But I think I would say that Kirk AND Spock are the main characters (just like Picard AND Data are basically the two main characters of TNG, and towards the end of VOY Janeway and 7 of 9 became the main characters).  </p>
<p>Still, now that you&#8217;ve challenged me to think about it, I guess Star Trek has always been about Kirk helping Spock to change, and never the other way around.  But in TNG, I think I can remember a few times where Picard or Geordi or someone told Data something to the effect that he helped them to better understand their own humanity (from the outside, so to speak).  That&#8217;s all I want to see from Spock and Kirk in these movies.  I&#8217;d like to see Kirk learn a little something about his own humanity from Spock.  At the very least, I think they should do what the new Bond movies have done (i.e. take their time molding the younger, rougher character into the older, more suave character we all know and love).  It has to take a little longer than just ONE movie for the reckless young cadet Kirk to become the infallible and unbeatable Captain of the Enterprise!  <img src="http://afcmin.org/ateam/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>By: John Davidson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After writing this, I feel this post needs to start off with *NERD ALERT!!*  
See, I always have viewed Spock as the main charactor for the entire concept of Star Trek. At first it was about him learning how to embrace his humanity, but then after Star Trek 5 Spock appears to be human and then some. He is what WE want to be, emotional, but also logical. He comes around being  Ambassador Spock and never seems worried. and then it has to be Spock to fly that ship to stop the shockwave. HOW IS IT NOT ANYONE ELSE IF THE 2 TRILLION PEOPLE OF THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE. Data is another example. He is like Spock, all logic at first, and struggling to become human. He then surpasses humanity with his intellect, strength, and ability to control his emotions( turn off his emotion chip)  It seems to be that we are presented with those two over and over again as the ideal that we the audience should strive to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After writing this, I feel this post needs to start off with *NERD ALERT!!*<br />
See, I always have viewed Spock as the main charactor for the entire concept of Star Trek. At first it was about him learning how to embrace his humanity, but then after Star Trek 5 Spock appears to be human and then some. He is what WE want to be, emotional, but also logical. He comes around being  Ambassador Spock and never seems worried. and then it has to be Spock to fly that ship to stop the shockwave. HOW IS IT NOT ANYONE ELSE IF THE 2 TRILLION PEOPLE OF THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE. Data is another example. He is like Spock, all logic at first, and struggling to become human. He then surpasses humanity with his intellect, strength, and ability to control his emotions( turn off his emotion chip)  It seems to be that we are presented with those two over and over again as the ideal that we the audience should strive to be.</p>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David N]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey John!

Yeah, I thought about that.  I guess my problem mostly boils down to how they treated Spock&#039;s character.  After all, Old Spock tells his young self that he wanted him to see all that he and Kirk could accomplish together, but in the actual movie all that Spock does is tag along as Kirk&#039;s little sidekick.  Kirk could have taken Scotty with him and accomplished just as much (and it would have been funnier!).  Now, I have to say, I&#039;ve always liked Kirk better anyway, and in one sense Spock really just IS his little sidekick, but I think they need to show that Spock can actually benefit Kirk as well, instead of having things be so one-sided.  If I had to explain their relationship in one sentence, I&#039;d say that it was about Spock learning to embrace his humanity (which Kirk helps him to do).  That&#039;s just fine, but I hope that the second movie shows Kirk embracing a little of his &quot;Vulcan&quot; side.

Now, all that said, I still loved the movie and will watch it no less than 7 times when I get it on DVD, including all the special features and director&#039;s commentary.  It was probably the best overall movie in the whole Star Trek franchise.  But like I said, I needed to find SOMETHING to criticize, haha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John!</p>
<p>Yeah, I thought about that.  I guess my problem mostly boils down to how they treated Spock&#8217;s character.  After all, Old Spock tells his young self that he wanted him to see all that he and Kirk could accomplish together, but in the actual movie all that Spock does is tag along as Kirk&#8217;s little sidekick.  Kirk could have taken Scotty with him and accomplished just as much (and it would have been funnier!).  Now, I have to say, I&#8217;ve always liked Kirk better anyway, and in one sense Spock really just IS his little sidekick, but I think they need to show that Spock can actually benefit Kirk as well, instead of having things be so one-sided.  If I had to explain their relationship in one sentence, I&#8217;d say that it was about Spock learning to embrace his humanity (which Kirk helps him to do).  That&#8217;s just fine, but I hope that the second movie shows Kirk embracing a little of his &#8220;Vulcan&#8221; side.</p>
<p>Now, all that said, I still loved the movie and will watch it no less than 7 times when I get it on DVD, including all the special features and director&#8217;s commentary.  It was probably the best overall movie in the whole Star Trek franchise.  But like I said, I needed to find SOMETHING to criticize, haha.</p>
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		<title>By: John Davidson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just (like 20 min ago) saw the movie for the first time and I would give it a solid A.  I see what you mean about Kirk getting rewarded time and time again for his &quot;shoot from the hip&quot; attitude, but I think that was only after he found his &quot;faith&quot;.  Remember, when the cadets were frist assigned to ships, he wasn&#039;t assigned to any and seemed to accept that. McCoy was the one who smuggled him aboard. It was only after he met future Spock and learned of his &quot;destiny&quot; that he charged wildly into the events. And think about it this way, if God told you tonight that by tomorrow night you will have saved the world, you would have to trust your decisions to be the right ones and make them without question, wouldnt you?  Kirk&#039;s &quot;logic&quot; in this reasoning is obviously flawed, but he know how things were &quot;suppose&quot; to be and assumed that it was his doings to make it that way.  NOw having just watched it I haven&#039;t thought about it on any deeper levels yet, I just enjoyed a good movie.   The biggest thing to bother me was HOW IN THE WORLD DID SPOCK AND UHURA HOOK UP?? If we are to assume that the only difference in the timelines was Nero comming back HOW DID THAT START THEIR RELATIONSHIP?!?!? I understand that things are allowed to be different, but only in the context of what Nero changed.  How does the U.S.S. Kelvin getting destroyed make Spock like the dark meat??? This I cannot understand. I need Doc Brown, he was allways good at explaining time paradoxes to me....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just (like 20 min ago) saw the movie for the first time and I would give it a solid A.  I see what you mean about Kirk getting rewarded time and time again for his &#8220;shoot from the hip&#8221; attitude, but I think that was only after he found his &#8220;faith&#8221;.  Remember, when the cadets were frist assigned to ships, he wasn&#8217;t assigned to any and seemed to accept that. McCoy was the one who smuggled him aboard. It was only after he met future Spock and learned of his &#8220;destiny&#8221; that he charged wildly into the events. And think about it this way, if God told you tonight that by tomorrow night you will have saved the world, you would have to trust your decisions to be the right ones and make them without question, wouldnt you?  Kirk&#8217;s &#8220;logic&#8221; in this reasoning is obviously flawed, but he know how things were &#8220;suppose&#8221; to be and assumed that it was his doings to make it that way.  NOw having just watched it I haven&#8217;t thought about it on any deeper levels yet, I just enjoyed a good movie.   The biggest thing to bother me was HOW IN THE WORLD DID SPOCK AND UHURA HOOK UP?? If we are to assume that the only difference in the timelines was Nero comming back HOW DID THAT START THEIR RELATIONSHIP?!?!? I understand that things are allowed to be different, but only in the context of what Nero changed.  How does the U.S.S. Kelvin getting destroyed make Spock like the dark meat??? This I cannot understand. I need Doc Brown, he was allways good at explaining time paradoxes to me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
		<link>http://afcmin.org/ateam/1282/star-trek-2009/comment-page-1#comment-3478</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jdivito,

That video is really funny.  And don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not one of those Trekkies who is upset that they changed the timeline and made the Enterprise look different, etc.  I&#039;m very happy with the fact that this movie was made for a wider audience, and like I said, I loved all the action and humor.  

I guess the only reason I even felt this was worth blogging about is that: (a) Abrams has been talking about his fascination with the whole &quot;faith and reason&quot; thing for a long time now, so I was anticipating a lot more of that kind of interplay between Kirk and Spock then the movie actually gave, (b) but even more importantly, I seriously think they ran the risk of totally ruining the character of Kirk.  Kirk is supposed to be the sort of person who &quot;rushes in where angels fear to tread&quot;, but he always does so with intelligence and purpose (usually because he has Spock helping him).  When he stole the Enterprise (in Star Trek 3), you knew why he was doing it and you were rooting for him.  When he &quot;steals&quot; the Enterprise in this movie, you start to get the feeling that he just wants to get everyone killed (or at least that he doesn&#039;t care if everyone gets killed).  

In any case, this post probably sounded much more critical of the movie than I actually am because it focused on the negative.  I still think it was a great film, and I&#039;m glad that it has been successful, because I&#039;m really looking forward to sequels!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdivito,</p>
<p>That video is really funny.  And don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not one of those Trekkies who is upset that they changed the timeline and made the Enterprise look different, etc.  I&#8217;m very happy with the fact that this movie was made for a wider audience, and like I said, I loved all the action and humor.  </p>
<p>I guess the only reason I even felt this was worth blogging about is that: (a) Abrams has been talking about his fascination with the whole &#8220;faith and reason&#8221; thing for a long time now, so I was anticipating a lot more of that kind of interplay between Kirk and Spock then the movie actually gave, (b) but even more importantly, I seriously think they ran the risk of totally ruining the character of Kirk.  Kirk is supposed to be the sort of person who &#8220;rushes in where angels fear to tread&#8221;, but he always does so with intelligence and purpose (usually because he has Spock helping him).  When he stole the Enterprise (in Star Trek 3), you knew why he was doing it and you were rooting for him.  When he &#8220;steals&#8221; the Enterprise in this movie, you start to get the feeling that he just wants to get everyone killed (or at least that he doesn&#8217;t care if everyone gets killed).  </p>
<p>In any case, this post probably sounded much more critical of the movie than I actually am because it focused on the negative.  I still think it was a great film, and I&#8217;m glad that it has been successful, because I&#8217;m really looking forward to sequels!</p>
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		<title>By: jdivito</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdivito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

As a fellow Trekkie, your post reminded me of this news video:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film&lt;/a&gt;

Seriously, you&#039;ve made a good point, though I am sure we could fill books with Christian critiques and worldview analyses regarding the philosophy, ethics, and religious issues in the various Star Trek franchises over the years!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>As a fellow Trekkie, your post reminded me of this news video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film" rel="nofollow">Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film</a></p>
<p>Seriously, you&#8217;ve made a good point, though I am sure we could fill books with Christian critiques and worldview analyses regarding the philosophy, ethics, and religious issues in the various Star Trek franchises over the years!</p>
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