Comments on: Debating Emergent Apologetics

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 20:18:53 +0000

Roger

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:46:25 +0000

Well, since I've met James White and haven't experienced what you've accused him of, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
We can at least agree that there are those who don't do a decent job as apologists, but I would contend that most do.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:55:19 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:47:30 +0000

I think the key word is emergent…in some places Modernity is still the rule and dominant way of viewing reality, which is why I do not discount the need for more rationalistic apologetics.
I happen to live on the West Coast in Marin County. The cultural landscape is as different from other places as, well Rome or Corinth were from Galatia or Jerusalem.
Same Gospel though. On that we all agree, hopefully.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:43:03 +0000

Glad you guys got to talk face to face as it were. You are both great.
Mac

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:41:53 +0000

Hi Glenn,
I did not mean the Fall was new, but I am 48…25 years ago it was like “what problem?? Man is good…all is well!”
Now nobody seem cofused on the fact that things are messed up. That's all I meant. Hope it helps.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:39:34 +0000

I will review James White's view on Emergent. I admit to not being very hopeful or to as gracious and open a response as you provide.
Being critical is one thing, and can be helpful respecially if respectful. My dealings with James White started when I was writing on staff (non-paid, but I got to write alongside John Whitehead and R.C. Sproul Jr.) for Razormouth.com. I did an article on “Bad Christian Art” that cited some real experiences with the likes of T-Bone Burnett (who was great) and Steve Camp (who was not).
Mr. White (and I refer to him as such because his “Ph.D.” is not accredited and was received from a school that is a two room hole-in-the wall), wrote me in a huff and proceeded to try and shame and blame me into submission.
He did not realize I was a former professional apologist. I engaged him quite directly and respectfully. He caved after only a short while saying “he did not have the time”.
A few years later he attacked (he is very good at that) “The Internet Monk” who I happen to really enjoy. Do not always agree, but I would not always agree with you, but I respect you and listen to what you have to say.
He did the usual shaming and blaming when I wrote about his attack.
And then begged off as soon as I did not wilt.
And I have looked up at least 15 sites that deal with White's antics. He comes in guns blazing, creates a controversy, then if he can book debates etc…he goes forward. If not, and he is confronted, he starts the shaming and blaming. Then he runs.
There is even a progression. he starts off calling you by name. Then if you stand up to him he calls you “Sir”…then he runs.
If the party he is shaming and blaming continues to engage him he suddenly breaks off all communication and moves on to the next opponant.
In both of my dealings with him, he quickly ran off once real questions were posed to him (unlike yourself, who really consider them, and then give a respectful and thoughtful response).
I will grant you I may have gone overboard (no pun intended) on the cruise thing. I did receive an email once from the guy who books the trips for White and he did say White keeps the costs down.
So to be fair.
I can send you more background material, but in my book White causes far more trouble than he does good. And I am uncomfortible with anyone who feels that he can attack anyone else, but will not give an answer himself.
You have not done that, nor do I think you would. I wouldn't either. It's an open exchange.
Thanks for the opportunity. I really like your site.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:16:06 +0000

Mac here (I still need to figutre out how to sign on/join..I'd like to)
Well let me say right off that often in such discussuions I feel later like I have wasted valuable time. NOT HERE. No this is some really good exchange and I am grateful to all parties for it. Wish we had more of this, but I'll be grateful it is happening here.
I'm gonna take things one piece at a time (the few things I wanna respond to. So they can be responded to in that way.
Nicely done all!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:54:58 +0000

I can't help thinking that the belief that we are in a post-modern culture is overrated if not mistaken! Othervise great post.
I was at a meeting in denmark with Jason Clark (British postmodern/emergent), and I was very pleased that the information I had about the emergent church, gotten mostly from a-team, was accurate and fair. Thanks!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:52:43 +0000

Hi Tony,
Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your willingness to discuss this and attribute to me the best of motives even when you probably have no reason to do so. That says a lot about your character.
1) I assumed that since the article is titled