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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;by B.A. (Bad Attitude) Baracus at 12:45PM (PST) on Mar 4, 2005 &lt;/strong&gt;
We do know some of God&#039;s &quot;perfect&quot; worldview for the bible is permeated with His &quot;perfect&quot; worldview. We don&#039;t know all of His worldview because the bible doesn&#039;t reveal all of it to us, and even if it did, I don&#039;t think we would be able to comprehend it fully for our finite minds wouldn&#039;t be able to concieve of such depth and richness. I think it would be better to say that we do know to some extent, God&#039;s &quot;perfect&quot; worldview, but not all of His &quot;perfect worldview&quot;.
Re: Three Tools for Living
&lt;strong&gt;by Murdock at 12:29AM (PST) on Mar 5, 2005 &lt;/strong&gt; 
For one, I never said we could know God&#039;s &quot;perfect&quot; worldview. For that to be possible we must be capable of omniscience, and we&#039;re obviously not. The Bible is only some of God revealed to us, and we have trouble just comprehending it. How much more so when it comes to God. 
However, the Bible doesn&#039;t let us off the hook. Just because we can&#039;t have perfect knowledge or a perfect worldview does not give us an excuse to not try. Just as we are to try to live godly and righteous lives, so we should try as best we may to conform our understanding of things to what God has revealed. In spirit and in truth.
Re: Three Tools for Living
&lt;strong&gt;by Bill Ekhardt at 08:38PM (PST) on Mar 7, 2005  &lt;/strong&gt;
Your belief that we should forever hone our world view is similar to mine, and yet very different. You were right when you said that there is a great deal that I am not certain of, particularly when it comes to matters of theology. I believe this rightly leads us to humility in our presentation of our ideas. 
Your tests for a particular world view are not bad, but I am confident that Hitler could have shown you how his world view met those tests. 
I am not at all saying that his world view was equally valid to ours. I am saying that our ability to evaluate our own paradigm is very limited. 
It should not surprise you that you and I differ on these things. While you seek to ever refine your world view with Gods, It is my belief that the &quot;God&#039;s worldview&quot; that you are seeking to compare yours too is a very limited one. 
You and I will disagree as to how reliably you are able to interpret scripture. 
Re: Three Tools for Living
&lt;strong&gt;by Murdock at 12:38AM (PST) on Mar 9, 2005&lt;/strong&gt;
&quot;You were right when you said that there is a great deal that I am not certain of, particularly when it comes to matters of theology. &quot; 
I should have made it clear what I mean by certainty, not just for you but for other readers. I&#039;m not claiming 100% certain knowledge that my beliefs are true. Rather when I acheive a certain degree of certainty I say I&#039;m sure of it. I believe that a covenental model for understanding Scripture is better than dispensational, but since I haven&#039;t taken much time to study the issue I don&#039;t claim certainty about it. However, I given much thought and time to the truthfulness of Christianity and I have what I take to be good reasons it is true. It&#039;s not a matter of how I grew up, but a matter of weighing the arugments for and against it. Because of this I&#039;m quite certain it is true. I may be wrong, but if I am someone&#039;s going to have to do a long of work dismantling my arguments. 
&quot;I am confident that Hitler could have shown you how his world view met those tests.&quot; 
If you&#039;re going to make a claim like that the burden is on you to show it. 
&quot;It is my belief that the &quot;God&#039;s worldview&quot; that you are seeking to compare yours too is a very limited one.&quot; 
I&#039;m not sure what you mean here. I would say it&#039;s limited by the truth revealed in Scripture and any other special revelation God wishes to bestow. 
In case any of my comments here or elsewhere has come across harsh or mean, I want to make it clear that I appreciate your thoughts and the time you put into expressing your views. I enjoy your challenges and our resulting discussions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>by B.A. (Bad Attitude) Baracus at 12:45PM (PST) on Mar 4, 2005 </strong><br />
We do know some of God&#39;s &#8220;perfect&#8221; worldview for the bible is permeated with His &#8220;perfect&#8221; worldview. We don&#39;t know all of His worldview because the bible doesn&#39;t reveal all of it to us, and even if it did, I don&#39;t think we would be able to comprehend it fully for our finite minds wouldn&#39;t be able to concieve of such depth and richness. I think it would be better to say that we do know to some extent, God&#39;s &#8220;perfect&#8221; worldview, but not all of His &#8220;perfect worldview&#8221;.<br />
Re: Three Tools for Living<br />
<strong>by Murdock at 12:29AM (PST) on Mar 5, 2005 </strong><br />
For one, I never said we could know God&#39;s &#8220;perfect&#8221; worldview. For that to be possible we must be capable of omniscience, and we&#39;re obviously not. The Bible is only some of God revealed to us, and we have trouble just comprehending it. How much more so when it comes to God.<br />
However, the Bible doesn&#39;t let us off the hook. Just because we can&#39;t have perfect knowledge or a perfect worldview does not give us an excuse to not try. Just as we are to try to live godly and righteous lives, so we should try as best we may to conform our understanding of things to what God has revealed. In spirit and in truth.<br />
Re: Three Tools for Living<br />
<strong>by Bill Ekhardt at 08:38PM (PST) on Mar 7, 2005  </strong><br />
Your belief that we should forever hone our world view is similar to mine, and yet very different. You were right when you said that there is a great deal that I am not certain of, particularly when it comes to matters of theology. I believe this rightly leads us to humility in our presentation of our ideas.<br />
Your tests for a particular world view are not bad, but I am confident that Hitler could have shown you how his world view met those tests.<br />
I am not at all saying that his world view was equally valid to ours. I am saying that our ability to evaluate our own paradigm is very limited.<br />
It should not surprise you that you and I differ on these things. While you seek to ever refine your world view with Gods, It is my belief that the &#8220;God&#39;s worldview&#8221; that you are seeking to compare yours too is a very limited one.<br />
You and I will disagree as to how reliably you are able to interpret scripture.<br />
Re: Three Tools for Living<br />
<strong>by Murdock at 12:38AM (PST) on Mar 9, 2005</strong><br />
&#8220;You were right when you said that there is a great deal that I am not certain of, particularly when it comes to matters of theology. &#8221;<br />
I should have made it clear what I mean by certainty, not just for you but for other readers. I&#39;m not claiming 100% certain knowledge that my beliefs are true. Rather when I acheive a certain degree of certainty I say I&#39;m sure of it. I believe that a covenental model for understanding Scripture is better than dispensational, but since I haven&#39;t taken much time to study the issue I don&#39;t claim certainty about it. However, I given much thought and time to the truthfulness of Christianity and I have what I take to be good reasons it is true. It&#39;s not a matter of how I grew up, but a matter of weighing the arugments for and against it. Because of this I&#39;m quite certain it is true. I may be wrong, but if I am someone&#39;s going to have to do a long of work dismantling my arguments.<br />
&#8220;I am confident that Hitler could have shown you how his world view met those tests.&#8221;<br />
If you&#39;re going to make a claim like that the burden is on you to show it.<br />
&#8220;It is my belief that the &#8220;God&#39;s worldview&#8221; that you are seeking to compare yours too is a very limited one.&#8221;<br />
I&#39;m not sure what you mean here. I would say it&#39;s limited by the truth revealed in Scripture and any other special revelation God wishes to bestow.<br />
In case any of my comments here or elsewhere has come across harsh or mean, I want to make it clear that I appreciate your thoughts and the time you put into expressing your views. I enjoy your challenges and our resulting discussions.</p>
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