Comments on: Assessment of the Abanes Interview http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview Helping plans come together, one post at a time Sun, 03 May 2015 14:00:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.9 By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-697 Fri, 02 Sep 2005 05:41:42 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-697 Here is the deal all this stuff that makes people feel like its solent green is totally wrong.
Think about it did Jesus have a program for everything He did NO He did not…… Well thats the problem we as Christians have sunk to the worst Blble translations and Church Programs. Purpose Driven Life will drive you away from the Bible and into Rick Warrens wallet…….As for Bible Translations we use the excuse that “oh its easyer to read” thats 100% artificial CRAP. Let me remind you that the slaves in this country didnot speak, read or know English and this they learned forn the KING JAMES BIBLE HA HA HA…. No I am not KJV only I love the English Standard Version. This is were we are at though and why we are here is that we gave up as Christians. Instead of teaching and letting others grow we instead say we have a program for that and blow it off and thats cheap GRACE and lame too. So to get it back we must teach and teach well and never give up on anyone like the Church teaches today. Fight for those souls Jesus did and died for it right……. So get in there and fight and no Cheap Grace AMEN

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-696 Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:12:48 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-696 BRIAN: Exactly. But he initially says that he's responding to what Koukl said. And then later he says he's responding to how people will hear him. Not very consistent of him.
RA: We have two things going on here

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-695 Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:36:50 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-695

Just from how this reads, it is as if Abanes is taking the reaction of other people to determine the meaning of Koukl's words. Not saying that he is actually doing this, but this is how it reads.

Exactly. But he initially says that he's responding to what Koukl said. And then later he says he's responding to how people will hear him. Not very consistent of him.

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-694 Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:14:01 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-694 ———————–
RA: My assessment of Koukl's statements is based on how I know people are listening to him and reactging to him because of who he is. His words are clearly being used to go after Warren, purpose driven, Saddleback, and all seeker sensitive services.
RA: R., my whole point is the way people in general are reading his comments. he is clearly talking aabout churches where people are seeking after “purpose” in seeker sensitive services (advocated and advanced by Warren) as opposed to places where the gospel is not being watered down (a VERY common accusation about Warren and Saddleback). Hey, I am just reading it as others have and are reading it.
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Just from how this reads, it is as if Abanes is taking the reaction of other people to determine the meaning of Koukl's words. Not saying that he is actually doing this, but this is how it reads.

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-693 Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:00:23 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-693 RO: You're also reading Warren charitably while you read anyone who criticisms him uncharitably. There's no justification for that.
RA: Well, since you're moving, I'll keep my last word brief. But I do wnat you to know I do not ALWAYS read Warren charitably, while I read uncharitably “anyone” who criticizes him. Criticisms are fine. Ok, I just want them accurate and not based on either hearsay, or some so-called seeker churches out there doing things that have nothing to do with Warren. That's all, and for my last word, I choose . . . hmmm . . . marmalade.
RA

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-692 Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:58 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-692 RA: My assessment of Koukl's statements is based on how I know people are listening to him and reactging to him because of who he is. His words are clearly being used to go after Warren, purpose driven, Saddleback, and all seeker sensitive services.
RO: How you “know” some “people are listening to him,” but not all people. Your response is based on hearsay, not on what Greg actually said. If Greg wasn't clear enough the first time, he's made himself perfectly clear now. Howeverm you're putting your fingers in your ears and going “na-uh.” Greg put all the information out for everyone to see and judge for themselves what he said. Thus far I haven't seen a single person agree with your assessment. That doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong, but it's a decent indicator.
RA: Well, it sure wouyld have been nice for Koukl to say this, instead of jumping straight from talking about no gospel at all, to Warren's 40 days of purpose, to saying the whole seeker sensitive model is unbiblical, complete with a watered down gospel.
RO: Greg doesn't have to spell out specifically which churches he's talking about every time he makes a generalization about church services. Greg hasn't been to a Saddleback service (that I know of), so he's not going to be able to say whether his generalization applies to Saddleback specifically or not. He clarified for you yesterday that he wasn't speaking of Saddleback, but apparently that's not good enough for you (apparently nothing short of endorsing PDL and Saddleback is).
RA:I am being no more exacting or unforgiving with Koukl's words than people are being with Warren's words.
RO: You're also reading Warren charitably while you read anyone who criticisms him uncharitably. There's no justification for that.
I'm moving tomorrow and have plenty of packing to do, so I have to bow out of continuing this. Since you're guest here, you have the last word.

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-691 Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:22:43 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-691 Roger,
My assessment of Koukl's statements is based on how I know people are listening to him and reactging to him because of who he is. His words are clearly being used to go after Warren, purpose driven, Saddleback, and all seeker sensitive services.
RO: So, any time he sees

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-690 Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:47:50 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-690 My thoughts on Abanes

]]> By: Anonymous http://afcmin.org/ateam/185/assessment-of-the-abanes-interview/comment-page-1#comment-689 Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:49:52 +0000 http://afcmin.org/ateam/?p=185#comment-689 Much appreciation for the strong articulation of a complicated matter. My hope is that Warren, Abanes, you, me, and every pastor and church leader would emerge from all this (PDL controversy) with a fresh understanding of Christ-centered, gospel-saturated ministry.

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