Comments on: Ravi Zacharias Live

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:31:00 +0000

Roger –
I don't think Ravi was making the statement that we don't speak our apologetic. He was emphasizing the point that there needs to be some link to what we speak and how we live. If you remember the illustration that he presented regarding the talk he gave in Ohio and how the woman said that his (Ravi's) message was very persuasive but she wondered how he lived. It was his words (his spoken apologetic) that was persuasive and she was wondering if he lived it as well.
Shawn

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:28:00 +0000

His talk will be available on CD and DVD in a week or so. I'll look for the contact email address of the person from Mariner's who is creating them, if you would like it.
shawn

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:29:00 +0000

“Ironically, though, it seems that the biggest problems in Christianity arise over speaking, not living the faith.”
I wouldn't necessarily say that our “biggest problem in Christianity arise over speaking” but the incongruity of both the walk and the talk. Can't have one without the other.
“A lived faith is the strongest witness, I think, even stronger than speaking.”
I certainly wouldn't pit one against the other, nor rank one above the other. The one who lives the faith will necessarily speak about it. The real irony would be one who lives the faith, but says nothing of it. And in speaking, we can surely expect to have problems. Proclaiming Christ as King who lays claim on the entirety of Creation absolutely causes great waves.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:40:00 +0000

Hey Roger,
I agree with you (and Jeff) that we need to speak our faith. Ironically, though, it seems that the biggest problems in Christianity arise over speaking, not living the faith.
About your comment that “Mormons live their faith very well, often better than Protestants. So if it comes down to who lives their faith better, people should become Mormons” –I see your point, but I differ with your logic! I think it does come down, not to “who lives their faith better” but to living the faith. A lived faith is the strongest witness, I think, even stronger than speaking. And, yes, we must seek the true gospel, which is the Word of God, not our words. Maybe I'm nitpicking here though–I suspect we agree about the gospel's importance–

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:42:00 +0000

I kind of doubt it, but if it becomes available it would likely be through RZIM.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:41:00 +0000

Hi Vicky!
I think Jeff made a good point. My concern with Zacharias's talk isn't that he think we should live our faith well- I agree with him on that. Rather, I think it could be taken as living faith at the expense of speaking faith. We need do to both and do it well. Living faith, though necessary, isn't sufficient for dealing with problems like religious pluralism. Mormons live their faith very well, often better than Protestants. So if it comes down to who lives their faith better, people should become Mormons. The problem is that there is no true gospel in Mormonism, but that can't be articulated simply by living a Christ-like life. We need to speak our faith and live it.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:25:00 +0000

Vicky, I think you answered your own question with your response. Since you are not “just” reflecting Christ in your heart. You are using your mouth (actually keyboard in this case) to get your point across. We are called to give a reason for the hope that is within. So, while we reflect Christ in our hearts, we are to give a reason (speaking, writing, etc.) for Christ and the hope we have.
Thanks,
Jeff Downs
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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:23:00 +0000

Roger,
Do you know if Zacharias' message will be available on CD or MP3? Sounds like a good event to hear!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:55:00 +0000

Roger, I'm not a supporter (nor a critic) of emergent churches, but when you wrote
“If I were to explain for you each of these three points, it would boil down to the same thing- we must not only have good intellectual responses, but we must live in a way that reflects Christ in our hearts. This is a necessary point, but I was disappointed that it was basically his only point for our response to the challenges of our culture” I had this thought: living in a way that reflects Christ in our hearts might be the heart of the message, and perhaps some of us get distracted with all the tangential matter, all the disquisition. Maybe the Christian life in response to the challenges of culture consists in reflecting Christ in our hearts, and therefore in our daily walk. Thatmight just be it. Why do we need more than this?
Vicky