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		<title>By: More Conspiracy Theories &#124; The A-Team Blog</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://afcmin.org/ateam/500/a-sincere-question/comment-page-1#comment-2400</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Lidle crash was consistent with a plot by the Bushies to throw the World Series. But if they were as smart as everyone says, you&#039;d think they wouldn&#039;t have used the fake-passport-on-the-street trick twice in one administration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lidle crash was consistent with a plot by the Bushies to throw the World Series. But if they were as smart as everyone says, you&#39;d think they wouldn&#39;t have used the fake-passport-on-the-street trick twice in one administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And then there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061012/D8KMQHAG0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:

&#039;A small plane carrying New York Yankee Cory Lidle slammed into a 50-story apartment building Wednesday after issuing a distress call, killing the pitcher and a second person in a crash that rained flaming debris onto the sidewalks and briefly raised fears of another terrorist attack.

A law enforcement official in Washington said Lidle - an avid pilot who got his license during last year&#039;s offseason - was aboard the single-engine aircraft when it plowed into the 30th and 31st floors of the condominium high-rise on Manhattan&#039;s Upper East Side. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said both people aboard were killed.

&lt;b&gt;Lidle&#039;s passport was found on the street&lt;/b&gt;, according to a federal official, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#39;s <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061012/D8KMQHAG0.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<p>&#39;A small plane carrying New York Yankee Cory Lidle slammed into a 50-story apartment building Wednesday after issuing a distress call, killing the pitcher and a second person in a crash that rained flaming debris onto the sidewalks and briefly raised fears of another terrorist attack.</p>
<p>A law enforcement official in Washington said Lidle &#8211; an avid pilot who got his license during last year&#39;s offseason &#8211; was aboard the single-engine aircraft when it plowed into the 30th and 31st floors of the condominium high-rise on Manhattan&#39;s Upper East Side. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said both people aboard were killed.</p>
<p><b>Lidle&#39;s passport was found on the street</b>, according to a federal official, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.&#39;</p>
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		<title>By: Timbo</title>
		<link>http://afcmin.org/ateam/500/a-sincere-question/comment-page-1#comment-2398</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the amount of debris that was projected from the skies at the moment of impact, I don&#039;t think the scenario Ginsburg describes is all that far-fetched.  Moreoever, she explicitly says that the passports were recovered &quot;in part,&quot; which is a far cry from the &quot;fluttered to the streets of New York virtually unscathed&quot; spin.  The alternative is that the passport was a plant, in which case the person or persons who were resourceful enough to create a phony al Suqami passport, using similar, fraudulent means which resemble al Qaeda methods for creating passports, were able to get the passport admitted into evidence using a story which is absurd.  Now, it seems to me that the people who got the fake passport that far would be able create a much more believable story than that.  If it was the government, I&#039;m sure they would have said that it was like al Omari&#039;s that was in luggage that didn&#039;t make the flight.  I think a key point here is in fact that al Omari&#039;s passport was kept in his luggage.  This was obviously checked luggage, and if Omari&#039;s passport was in his checked luggage, Suqami&#039;s passport was probably in his checked luggage, which is usually stored beneath the cabin and the fuselage.  The passport easily could have been surrounded by luggage and below the flames upon impact, which would account for its having been found on the street below.  Although much of my account here is speculative, it is no more so than what you would have to maintain in order to explain the passport being a plant.  So, who&#039;s taken the blue pill?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the amount of debris that was projected from the skies at the moment of impact, I don&#39;t think the scenario Ginsburg describes is all that far-fetched.  Moreoever, she explicitly says that the passports were recovered &#8220;in part,&#8221; which is a far cry from the &#8220;fluttered to the streets of New York virtually unscathed&#8221; spin.  The alternative is that the passport was a plant, in which case the person or persons who were resourceful enough to create a phony al Suqami passport, using similar, fraudulent means which resemble al Qaeda methods for creating passports, were able to get the passport admitted into evidence using a story which is absurd.  Now, it seems to me that the people who got the fake passport that far would be able create a much more believable story than that.  If it was the government, I&#39;m sure they would have said that it was like al Omari&#39;s that was in luggage that didn&#39;t make the flight.  I think a key point here is in fact that al Omari&#39;s passport was kept in his luggage.  This was obviously checked luggage, and if Omari&#39;s passport was in his checked luggage, Suqami&#39;s passport was probably in his checked luggage, which is usually stored beneath the cabin and the fuselage.  The passport easily could have been surrounded by luggage and below the flames upon impact, which would account for its having been found on the street below.  Although much of my account here is speculative, it is no more so than what you would have to maintain in order to explain the passport being a plant.  So, who&#39;s taken the blue pill?</p>
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		<title>By: Gorhendad</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The suggestion that the government was complicit in the attacks of 9/11 requires a conspiracy of such magnitude and an execution of such precision...that those of us who accept the official explanation are in no way &quot;taking the blue pill.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, I didn&#039;t say that I believed the government as an entity was complicit in the attacks.  I just said that there is too much evidence to believe the conventional version of the attacks.

Honestly, if you believe the &lt;u&gt;testimony of the government&lt;/u&gt; that one of the passports of a 9/11 hijacker survived the plane crash, ball of fire and subsequent steel-melting inferno, and fluttered to the streets of New York virtually unscathed, then you took the blue pill.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911tr/012604.htm

&quot;MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari. 

In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The suggestion that the government was complicit in the attacks of 9/11 requires a conspiracy of such magnitude and an execution of such precision&#8230;that those of us who accept the official explanation are in no way &#8220;taking the blue pill.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Actually, I didn&#39;t say that I believed the government as an entity was complicit in the attacks.  I just said that there is too much evidence to believe the conventional version of the attacks.</p>
<p>Honestly, if you believe the <u>testimony of the government</u> that one of the passports of a 9/11 hijacker survived the plane crash, ball of fire and subsequent steel-melting inferno, and fluttered to the streets of New York virtually unscathed, then you took the blue pill.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911tr/012604.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911tr/012604.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari. </p>
<p>In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gorhendad</title>
		<link>http://afcmin.org/ateam/500/a-sincere-question/comment-page-1#comment-2395</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;This is exactly the belief of a great many people, and I find it fascinating. A single physicist claims greater insight than all of the physicists and engineers in the National Institute of Standards&lt;/em&gt;

Hi Charlie,

Obviously, I am not an expert in physics, and have little or no ability to determine whether the NIS or Steven Jones have persuasive arguments.  However, just because Jones is an underdog, that does not mean he&#039;s wrong.  Committees and institutes of distinguished people are wrong all the time.

As far as 9/11, I am simply claiming that I do not believe that the government&#039;s version is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, due to the many pieces of information we have been told that seem questionable, or even absurd.

Five or six of the supposed hijackers whose pictures we saw in the newspaper are alive and the victims of identity theft, according to reputable sources.  So who were the hijackers using those false identities?  Where were they from?  Does it make a difference if we don&#039;t even know who some of the hijackers actually were?  

Professional pilots have claimed that even highly trained individuals would have had difficulty performing the manuevers those planes had to do to hit the buildings.  The flight school trainers who worked with the 9/11 hijackers said they could hardly fly a Cessna.

Sceptics include (from Wikipedia):

Dr. Robert M. Bowman Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for DOD and retired Lt. Col for United States Air Force, a combat pilot who flew 101 missions in the Vietnam War

Andreas von Bulow is a former assistant German defense minister and former Minister for Research and Technology in the cabinet of German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. He served for 25 years as an SPD member of the German parliament and was ranking member of the parliamentary committee on intelligence services.

Bill Christison a former senior official of the CIA, was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA&#039;s Office of Regional and Political Analysis before he retired in 1979. He has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies.

Jean-Pierre Desmoulins is a French engineer, now working as a university professor, who analysed the crash of flight 77 on the Pentagon on 9/11.

Kenneth L. Kuttler, Professor of Mathematics at Brigham Young University, has written a paper WTC 7: A short computation

John Newman spent 21 years in Army Intelligence and served as Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. He also served as an attaché in China. He is a history professor at UMD and has been teaching courses on counterterrorism for 10 years.

Morgan Reynolds, a former chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during the administration of George W. Bush, is the highest-ranking public official to criticize the government account of 9/11, calling the government story &quot;bogus&quot; and saying the WTC towers most likely fell from a controlled demolition.

Gordon Ross holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University.

Here&#039;s a prominent conservative:

&quot;Paul Craig Roberts was the assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan where he developed the theory of economics that came to be called &quot;Reaganomics.&quot;. Dr. Roberts is Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review.&quot;

Roberts says:
&quot;I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility.&quot;

Are these people anti-authoritarian fruitcakes? I think not.

Many of them describe their feelings as &quot;disturbed&quot; in the sense that they would prefer to believe the conventional version of 9/11 and do not like to think that their government lied to them.

I personally feel the same way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is exactly the belief of a great many people, and I find it fascinating. A single physicist claims greater insight than all of the physicists and engineers in the National Institute of Standards</em></p>
<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>Obviously, I am not an expert in physics, and have little or no ability to determine whether the NIS or Steven Jones have persuasive arguments.  However, just because Jones is an underdog, that does not mean he&#39;s wrong.  Committees and institutes of distinguished people are wrong all the time.</p>
<p>As far as 9/11, I am simply claiming that I do not believe that the government&#39;s version is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, due to the many pieces of information we have been told that seem questionable, or even absurd.</p>
<p>Five or six of the supposed hijackers whose pictures we saw in the newspaper are alive and the victims of identity theft, according to reputable sources.  So who were the hijackers using those false identities?  Where were they from?  Does it make a difference if we don&#39;t even know who some of the hijackers actually were?  </p>
<p>Professional pilots have claimed that even highly trained individuals would have had difficulty performing the manuevers those planes had to do to hit the buildings.  The flight school trainers who worked with the 9/11 hijackers said they could hardly fly a Cessna.</p>
<p>Sceptics include (from Wikipedia):</p>
<p>Dr. Robert M. Bowman Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for DOD and retired Lt. Col for United States Air Force, a combat pilot who flew 101 missions in the Vietnam War</p>
<p>Andreas von Bulow is a former assistant German defense minister and former Minister for Research and Technology in the cabinet of German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. He served for 25 years as an SPD member of the German parliament and was ranking member of the parliamentary committee on intelligence services.</p>
<p>Bill Christison a former senior official of the CIA, was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA&#8217;s Office of Regional and Political Analysis before he retired in 1979. He has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies.</p>
<p>Jean-Pierre Desmoulins is a French engineer, now working as a university professor, who analysed the crash of flight 77 on the Pentagon on 9/11.</p>
<p>Kenneth L. Kuttler, Professor of Mathematics at Brigham Young University, has written a paper WTC 7: A short computation</p>
<p>John Newman spent 21 years in Army Intelligence and served as Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. He also served as an attaché in China. He is a history professor at UMD and has been teaching courses on counterterrorism for 10 years.</p>
<p>Morgan Reynolds, a former chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during the administration of George W. Bush, is the highest-ranking public official to criticize the government account of 9/11, calling the government story &#8220;bogus&#8221; and saying the WTC towers most likely fell from a controlled demolition.</p>
<p>Gordon Ross holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a prominent conservative:</p>
<p>&#8220;Paul Craig Roberts was the assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan where he developed the theory of economics that came to be called &#8220;Reaganomics.&#8221;. Dr. Roberts is Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review.&#8221;</p>
<p>Roberts says:<br />
&#8220;I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are these people anti-authoritarian fruitcakes? I think not.</p>
<p>Many of them describe their feelings as &#8220;disturbed&#8221; in the sense that they would prefer to believe the conventional version of 9/11 and do not like to think that their government lied to them.</p>
<p>I personally feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a physicist either, but I don&#039;t think I need a PhD to recognize that Steven Jones&#039; premises as presented here are hopelessly flawed.  Simply saying that what happened is &quot;consistent with&quot; (I count three uses of that phrase) his explanation has no bearing on whether or not it happened that way.  A conspiracy-theorist could just as easily point out that the collapse of the Twin Towers is actually quite &quot;consistent with&quot; the collapse of Barad-dur at the end of &lt;i&gt;The Return of the King&lt;/i&gt;, but that in no way comes even close to entailing that the Twin Towers fell because Gollum and the one ring fell into the fires of Mount Doom.  The suggestion that the government was complicit in the attacks of 9/11 requires a conspiracy of such magnitude and an execution of such precision (amazing how pilots were able to fly two planes exactly where the demolition experts had already placed the charges) that those of us who accept the official explanation are in no way &quot;taking the blue pill.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not a physicist either, but I don&#39;t think I need a PhD to recognize that Steven Jones&#39; premises as presented here are hopelessly flawed.  Simply saying that what happened is &#8220;consistent with&#8221; (I count three uses of that phrase) his explanation has no bearing on whether or not it happened that way.  A conspiracy-theorist could just as easily point out that the collapse of the Twin Towers is actually quite &#8220;consistent with&#8221; the collapse of Barad-dur at the end of <i>The Return of the King</i>, but that in no way comes even close to entailing that the Twin Towers fell because Gollum and the one ring fell into the fires of Mount Doom.  The suggestion that the government was complicit in the attacks of 9/11 requires a conspiracy of such magnitude and an execution of such precision (amazing how pilots were able to fly two planes exactly where the demolition experts had already placed the charges) that those of us who accept the official explanation are in no way &#8220;taking the blue pill.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Micah, I definitely think there&#039;s something to what you&#039;ve said here.  I think a lot of the things mentioned in these comments have played a part in this.  Maybe, beyond that, people are just bored with reality because we have it too easy here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micah, I definitely think there&#39;s something to what you&#39;ve said here.  I think a lot of the things mentioned in these comments have played a part in this.  Maybe, beyond that, people are just bored with reality because we have it too easy here!</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think both of those explanations have merit Amy. 

But I also think there&#039;s something even more deeply rooted historically and psychologically. Many folks who are now susceptible to conspiracy thinking came of age in the 1960s. The 60s were the rebirth of the optimism of progressives whose earlier faith in human progress stemmed from the Enlightenment but was more or less dashed by the combintation of WWI, the Depression, and WWII. 

With the 60s progressive/liberal religion, sexual ethics, and politics combined to give a lot of people their worldview fueled by a faith that things were just going to get better and better (&quot;Don&#039;t stop believing in tomorrow&quot;). 

What happened? First Nixon. Imagine what a shock to the system that must have been for him merely to be elected. And then to find out there really was a conspiracy and he really was a crook (albeit a very gifted politician). 

But Nixon was only a slap in the face. Reagan was a body slam. 60s era progressives were blown away by how popular Reagan was. This explains, I think, why so many feminists and others were 100% behind Clinton, even after all the sex stuff that would have set them on a Republican like piranahs on Mr. Ed. With Clinton&#039;s ascendancy perhaps Reagan too could be described as an aberration.

But with the 94 GOP take over, Bush II, 9/11, the abortion regime falling in popular opinion, etc. etc., the notion that these are merely set-backs and not a sea-change is becoming harder and harder to deny. The notion that the dreams of the 60s are more or less dead and the country has become more conservative is a very difficult pill to swallow.

And some just can&#039;t do it. So it must be something else. It can&#039;t be that people are genuinely disenchanted with progressive politics (which is more the case than anyone being impressed with GOP politics I&#039;m afraid). So, what can explain it? The paradigm was set with Nixon. There must be dirty tricks going on. Conspiracies. This is much easier to believe than that one&#039;s side has actually lost.

Add to this the psychological pull of being part of what Lewis described as the Inner Ring (those who know the real deal, an oddly modern form of gnosticism), and the TV and the accusations of bad faith and false consciousness, and you have a perfect storm for conspiracy mongering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both of those explanations have merit Amy. </p>
<p>But I also think there&#39;s something even more deeply rooted historically and psychologically. Many folks who are now susceptible to conspiracy thinking came of age in the 1960s. The 60s were the rebirth of the optimism of progressives whose earlier faith in human progress stemmed from the Enlightenment but was more or less dashed by the combintation of WWI, the Depression, and WWII. </p>
<p>With the 60s progressive/liberal religion, sexual ethics, and politics combined to give a lot of people their worldview fueled by a faith that things were just going to get better and better (&#8220;Don&#39;t stop believing in tomorrow&#8221;). </p>
<p>What happened? First Nixon. Imagine what a shock to the system that must have been for him merely to be elected. And then to find out there really was a conspiracy and he really was a crook (albeit a very gifted politician). </p>
<p>But Nixon was only a slap in the face. Reagan was a body slam. 60s era progressives were blown away by how popular Reagan was. This explains, I think, why so many feminists and others were 100% behind Clinton, even after all the sex stuff that would have set them on a Republican like piranahs on Mr. Ed. With Clinton&#39;s ascendancy perhaps Reagan too could be described as an aberration.</p>
<p>But with the 94 GOP take over, Bush II, 9/11, the abortion regime falling in popular opinion, etc. etc., the notion that these are merely set-backs and not a sea-change is becoming harder and harder to deny. The notion that the dreams of the 60s are more or less dead and the country has become more conservative is a very difficult pill to swallow.</p>
<p>And some just can&#39;t do it. So it must be something else. It can&#39;t be that people are genuinely disenchanted with progressive politics (which is more the case than anyone being impressed with GOP politics I&#39;m afraid). So, what can explain it? The paradigm was set with Nixon. There must be dirty tricks going on. Conspiracies. This is much easier to believe than that one&#39;s side has actually lost.</p>
<p>Add to this the psychological pull of being part of what Lewis described as the Inner Ring (those who know the real deal, an oddly modern form of gnosticism), and the TV and the accusations of bad faith and false consciousness, and you have a perfect storm for conspiracy mongering.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your question, &quot;Why now?&quot; is puzzling. It does seem that this love of conspiracies is on the rise. I like your TV explanation, but I&#039;m wondering about chickens and eggs. Did TV begin creating conspiracy shows which led to greater acceptance of conspiracies, or did TV writers sense something that was already happening in the public and take advantage of it?

I go with the latter. And I guess I&#039;d trace the rise of conspiracies to the abandonment of Christianity with its belief in revealed and unalterable Truth for agnosticism and/or spiritual orientations in which adherents create their own truths. Which goes back to post-modernism&#039;s belief that no text or message has any absolute meaning, only meaning dependent on the hearer. Perhaps the answer to &quot;Why now?&quot; is that we&#039;ve reached a tipping point in thought where skepticism is more common than belief.

I know that for a long time now we have trained children to be skeptical of what was previously held as fact. Perhaps this is what a skeptical society does -- it disbelieves everything conventional and embraces everything fantastic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your question, &#8220;Why now?&#8221; is puzzling. It does seem that this love of conspiracies is on the rise. I like your TV explanation, but I&#39;m wondering about chickens and eggs. Did TV begin creating conspiracy shows which led to greater acceptance of conspiracies, or did TV writers sense something that was already happening in the public and take advantage of it?</p>
<p>I go with the latter. And I guess I&#39;d trace the rise of conspiracies to the abandonment of Christianity with its belief in revealed and unalterable Truth for agnosticism and/or spiritual orientations in which adherents create their own truths. Which goes back to post-modernism&#39;s belief that no text or message has any absolute meaning, only meaning dependent on the hearer. Perhaps the answer to &#8220;Why now?&#8221; is that we&#39;ve reached a tipping point in thought where skepticism is more common than belief.</p>
<p>I know that for a long time now we have trained children to be skeptical of what was previously held as fact. Perhaps this is what a skeptical society does &#8212; it disbelieves everything conventional and embraces everything fantastic.</p>
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